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on what authority
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$Zero
2007-02-03 18:18:39 UTC
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on what authority

challenge authority?

on what authority

what makes an authority?

lies?

nope.

...

does might make right?

yes.

(but not physical might).


-$Zero...
Pies de Arcilla
2007-02-04 20:41:47 UTC
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on what authority
I never understood authority. Someone said that God has ultimate
authority. I don't understand that.

And therefore I don't understand "moral authority" either.

I guess maybe someone has authority in the instant they are telling
you to do the right thing. But not necessarily in the next, when they
tell you to do the wrong thing.

But the complication is, you can never be sure that you did the right
thing, which means that you can never determine whether someone did,
in fact, have authority in the past.

So I don't think that authority is a very useful concept.
Twittering One
2007-02-04 23:28:04 UTC
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Greetings Pie, hope you are well ~ !
Merci again for your kindness.
Pies de Arcilla
2007-02-05 22:10:37 UTC
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Greetings Pie, hope you are well ~ !
Merci again for your kindness.
I'm still med-compliant. I'm trying to find a job. My "objective" on
my resume is to find a job requiring "competent writing skills".
Twittering One
2007-02-06 04:29:08 UTC
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Pies, what part of the country are you in,
urban or smaller area?

Most jobs these days require good writing skills,
perhaps you might be more specific.

Develoment (grant writing, an entry level position, at a major museum
or other non-profit is a good place to write everyday,
with persuasive skills).

Public relations requires lots of writing (eg, book publishing,
art institutions, or corporations).

Entry level as an editor or assistant in media can be a way
to begin a new career.

I am not sure of your age or years chalked up.

But I've all the above, before ending up as a medical writer
and working in advertising, which I love -- even if I found
the above jobs tedious and insulting at times, they trained
me for future jobs I liked.
Pies de Arcilla
2007-02-06 20:30:17 UTC
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Pies, what part of the country are you in,
urban or smaller area?
Most jobs these days require good writing skills,
perhaps you might be more specific.
I am a programmer, and that's the sort of thing I'm aiming for. But I
would like to do more than simply write code. OTOH, I'm not sure I
want to apply for a technical writing position at the moment.
Pies de Arcilla
2007-02-06 20:40:22 UTC
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Pies, what part of the country are you in,
urban or smaller area?
NY's capital district. I expect to relocate in any case after I
graduate.
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Develoment (grant writing, an entry level position, at a major museum
or other non-profit is a good place to write everyday,
with persuasive skills).
Grant writing - that's a thought. I need to give more consideration to
that. You can do that as a volunteer, right? I don't know where my
heart is. <Googles> Supposedly technical writers make at least as much
$$ as programmers. I didn't know that.
Twittering One
2007-02-07 02:09:45 UTC
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Pies, if you're a programmer, you have solid skills!
Tech writers are always in demand, too.
Twittering One
2007-02-07 02:17:45 UTC
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Learn with The Best ~ !

http://www.amazon.com/Beginners-Guide-Technical-Communication-B-E-S-T/dp/0070920451
Echosyn
2007-02-06 02:05:08 UTC
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on what authority
I never understood authority. Someone said that God has ultimate
authority. I don't understand that.
And therefore I don't understand "moral authority" either.
I guess maybe someone has authority in the instant they are telling
you to do the right thing. But not necessarily in the next, when they
tell you to do the wrong thing.
But the complication is, you can never be sure that you did the right
thing, which means that you can never determine whether someone did,
in fact, have authority in the past.
So I don't think that authority is a very useful concept.
"So I don't think---." I suggest with kindest intent that that might
be the problem. List those things in your experience that are
absolutes. Consider them carefully and you will come to a precipice.
The only true authority waits for you to be like the fledgling hawk
that takes that first leap away from the familiar substance of nest
and limb. You have within you the knowledge of that authority.

-Echosyn
$Zero
2007-02-06 03:54:26 UTC
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on what authority
I never understood authority. Someone said that God has ultimate
authority. I don't understand that.
And therefore I don't understand "moral authority" either.
I guess maybe someone has authority in the instant they are telling
you to do the right thing. But not necessarily in the next, when they
tell you to do the wrong thing.
But the complication is, you can never be sure that you did the right
thing, which means that you can never determine whether someone did,
in fact, have authority in the past.
So I don't think that authority is a very useful concept.
"So I don't think---." I suggest with kindest intent that that might
be the problem. List those things in your experience that are
absolutes. Consider them carefully and you will come to a precipice.
The only true authority waits for you to be like the fledgling hawk
that takes that first leap away from the familiar substance of nest
and limb. You have within you the knowledge of that authority.
why a hawk and not a dove?

give that some thought before you consider yourself an authority on
authority.

-$Zero...
Pies de Arcilla
2007-02-06 20:45:38 UTC
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why a hawk and not a dove?
Hawks eat doves.
$Zero
2007-02-06 20:50:05 UTC
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why a hawk and not a dove?
Hawks eat doves.
hawks also eat hawks.

he who lives by the hawk, dies by the hawk.

-$Zero...
Echosyn
2007-02-06 22:57:08 UTC
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why a hawk and not a dove?
Hawks eat doves.
Buttheaded liberal. Whooooooosh!!

-Echosyn
Echosyn
2007-02-06 22:52:16 UTC
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on what authority
I never understood authority. Someone said that God has ultimate
authority. I don't understand that.
And therefore I don't understand "moral authority" either.
I guess maybe someone has authority in the instant they are telling
you to do the right thing. But not necessarily in the next, when they
tell you to do the wrong thing.
But the complication is, you can never be sure that you did the right
thing, which means that you can never determine whether someone did,
in fact, have authority in the past.
So I don't think that authority is a very useful concept.
"So I don't think---." I suggest with kindest intent that that might
be the problem. List those things in your experience that are
absolutes. Consider them carefully and you will come to a precipice.
The only true authority waits for you to be like the fledgling hawk
that takes that first leap away from the familiar substance of nest
and limb. You have within you the knowledge of that authority.
why a hawk and not a dove?
give that some thought before you consider yourself an authority on
authority.
-$Zero...
I did not anthropomorphize. You did. Read it again.

-Echosyn
$Zero
2007-02-06 23:11:37 UTC
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on what authority
I never understood authority. Someone said that God has ultimate
authority. I don't understand that.
And therefore I don't understand "moral authority" either.
I guess maybe someone has authority in the instant they are telling
you to do the right thing. But not necessarily in the next, when they
tell you to do the wrong thing.
But the complication is, you can never be sure that you did the right
thing, which means that you can never determine whether someone did,
in fact, have authority in the past.
So I don't think that authority is a very useful concept.
"So I don't think---." I suggest with kindest intent that that might
be the problem. List those things in your experience that are
absolutes. Consider them carefully and you will come to a precipice.
The only true authority waits for you to be like the fledgling hawk
that takes that first leap away from the familiar substance of nest
and limb. You have within you the knowledge of that authority.
why a hawk and not a dove?
give that some thought before you consider yourself an authority on
authority.
-$Zero...
I did not anthropomorphize. You did. Read it again.
you did not anthropomorphize?

"The only true authority waits for you to be like the fledgling
hawk..."

compare:

"be as wise as the serpent and as harmless as the dove."

-$Zero...
$Zero
2007-02-06 23:31:51 UTC
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on what authority
I never understood authority. Someone said that God has ultimate
authority. I don't understand that.
And therefore I don't understand "moral authority" either.
I guess maybe someone has authority in the instant they are telling
you to do the right thing. But not necessarily in the next, when they
tell you to do the wrong thing.
But the complication is, you can never be sure that you did the right
thing, which means that you can never determine whether someone did,
in fact, have authority in the past.
So I don't think that authority is a very useful concept.
"So I don't think---." I suggest with kindest intent that that might
be the problem. List those things in your experience that are
absolutes. Consider them carefully and you will come to a precipice.
The only true authority waits for you to be like the fledgling hawk
that takes that first leap away from the familiar substance of nest
and limb. You have within you the knowledge of that authority.
why a hawk and not a dove?
give that some thought before you consider yourself an authority on
authority.
I did not anthropomorphize. You did. Read it again.
you did not anthropomorphize?
"The only true authority waits for you to be like the fledgling
hawk..."
"be as wise as the serpent and as harmless as the dove."
as "the only true authority" descends upon you like a dove, lighting
up your subconsciously flawed metaphors (while overturning the dove-
hawkers' tables in the temple).

-$Zero...
Echosyn
2007-02-07 03:17:00 UTC
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on what authority
I never understood authority. Someone said that God has ultimate
authority. I don't understand that.
And therefore I don't understand "moral authority" either.
I guess maybe someone has authority in the instant they are telling
you to do the right thing. But not necessarily in the next, when they
tell you to do the wrong thing.
But the complication is, you can never be sure that you did the right
thing, which means that you can never determine whether someone did,
in fact, have authority in the past.
So I don't think that authority is a very useful concept.
"So I don't think---." I suggest with kindest intent that that might
be the problem. List those things in your experience that are
absolutes. Consider them carefully and you will come to a precipice.
The only true authority waits for you to be like the fledgling hawk
that takes that first leap away from the familiar substance of nest
and limb. You have within you the knowledge of that authority.
why a hawk and not a dove?
give that some thought before you consider yourself an authority on
authority.
-$Zero...
I did not anthropomorphize. You did. Read it again.
you did not anthropomorphize?
"The only true authority waits for you to be like the fledgling
hawk..."
"be as wise as the serpent and as harmless as the dove."
-$Zero...
This is hilarious :-). Every post strays further OT. Hawks and doves
are not the subject of my intent. I speak of the nature of active
faith. The bird's first leap into the air is an analogy of a human
acting on faith which is the substance of things hoped for and the
evidence of things not seen. A considerable portion of the joys in my
joy filled life is because of my confident exercise of faith in our
Creator and His promises. Faith is like a muscle, it develops with use
and wastes away if not used. A faith walk is often spiced with
pleasant and unexpected surprises
such as the time back in '89 when I set out to understand how high
voltage transmission line emfs (electromagnetic fields) could kill
aquatic life. None of the top scholars and scientists could answer my
questions so I followed God's leads, studied and experimented for
seven years and found answers to all my questions plus much more that
I could not have anticipated. Faith without works is dead and we are
justified by faith, not by works. There are no stairways to heaven for
sale.

In sum, the evidence of Supreme Authority was given to me directly
from Him, and it grows quite happily in my garden and nowhere else on
the planet.

-Echosyn
$Zero
2007-02-08 02:46:26 UTC
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on what authority
I never understood authority. Someone said that God has ultimate
authority. I don't understand that.
And therefore I don't understand "moral authority" either.
I guess maybe someone has authority in the instant they are telling
you to do the right thing. But not necessarily in the next, when they
tell you to do the wrong thing.
But the complication is, you can never be sure that you did the right
thing, which means that you can never determine whether someone did,
in fact, have authority in the past.
So I don't think that authority is a very useful concept.
"So I don't think---." I suggest with kindest intent that that might
be the problem. List those things in your experience that are
absolutes. Consider them carefully and you will come to a precipice.
The only true authority waits for you to be like the fledgling hawk
that takes that first leap away from the familiar substance of nest
and limb. You have within you the knowledge of that authority.
why a hawk and not a dove?
give that some thought before you consider yourself an authority on
authority.
-$Zero...
I did not anthropomorphize. You did. Read it again.
you did not anthropomorphize?
"The only true authority waits for you to be like the fledgling
hawk..."
"be as wise as the serpent and as harmless as the dove."
-$Zero...
This is hilarious :-). Every post strays further OT.
NT, mostly.

unless you're looking for your soggy bread to come flying back pierced
by an olive branch.

but seriously, off topic?

that's a nonsense defense.
Post by Echosyn
Hawks and doves are not the subject of my intent.
Question: "why a hawk and not a dove?"

why won't you answer?
Post by Echosyn
I speak of the nature of active faith.
faith in hawks, yes. point mine.
Post by Echosyn
The bird's first leap into the air is an analogy of a human
acting on faith which is the substance of things hoped for and the
evidence of things not seen.
Question: "why a hawk and not a dove?"
Post by Echosyn
A considerable portion of the joys in my
joy filled life is because of my confident exercise of faith in our
Creator and His promises. Faith is like a muscle, it develops with use
and wastes away if not used.
Question: "why a hawk and not a dove?"
Post by Echosyn
A faith walk is often spiced with
pleasant and unexpected surprises
such as the time back in '89 when I set out to understand how high
voltage transmission line emfs (electromagnetic fields) could kill
aquatic life.
well, hawks have better eyesight, i suppose, but still.

depends how you use it.

Hawkeye Pierce.

what an absolutely hilarious name.

both the firstname AND the lastname.
Post by Echosyn
None of the top scholars and scientists could answer my
questions so I followed God's leads, studied and experimented for
seven years and found answers to all my questions plus much more that
I could not have anticipated.
Question: "why a hawk and not a dove?"
Post by Echosyn
Faith without works is dead and we are
justified by faith, not by works.
depends on what you put your faith in.

and how your works reflect that faith.
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There are no stairways to heaven for sale.
Question: "why a hawk and not a dove?"
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In sum, the evidence of Supreme Authority was given to me directly
from Him, and it grows quite happily in my garden and nowhere else on
the planet.
how about the rest of the universe?


-$Zero...
Pies de Arcilla
2007-02-08 23:01:45 UTC
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In sum, the evidence of Supreme Authority was given to me directly
from Him, and it grows quite happily in my garden and nowhere else on
the planet.
You want evidence? http://www.whengodwinks.com/
Echosyn
2007-02-09 01:10:16 UTC
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In sum, the evidence of Supreme Authority was given to me directly
from Him, and it grows quite happily in my garden and nowhere else on
the planet.
You want evidence? http://www.whengodwinks.com/
Yep. That's the way it happens. It kinda puts a new slant on Winkin,
Blinkin and Nod; God winks as he dispenses blessings, I blink with
pleased astonishment then nod wth gratitude. He always has a close
place in our lives.

-Echosyn
Pies de Arcilla
2007-02-11 21:51:33 UTC
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Yep. That's the way it happens. It kinda puts a new slant on Winkin,
Blinkin and Nod; God winks as he dispenses blessings, I blink with
pleased astonishment then nod wth gratitude. He always has a close
place in our lives.
On the other hand, delusions of reference are characteristic of mental
illness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_of_reference

I would never have been able to believe how compelling these could be
until it happened to me.

And even healthy people will see patterns in random data.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
$Zero
2007-02-12 00:09:25 UTC
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Yep. That's the way it happens. It kinda puts a new slant on Winkin,
Blinkin and Nod; God winks as he dispenses blessings, I blink with
pleased astonishment then nod wth gratitude. He always has a close
place in our lives.
On the other hand, delusions of reference are characteristic of mental
illness.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_of_reference
I would never have been able to believe how compelling these could be
until it happened to me.
And even healthy people will see patterns in random data.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
the televison talks to moi ALL of the time.

so does the radio.

and the newspapers.

why, just a few minutes ago the
televison told me to go out and
buy a Chevrolet.

and then, a few minutes later,
it told me to go out and buy a
Chrysler.

i think it suffers from a split personality.

same with the newspapers and the radio.

it's mass madness, i tell you!

(or at least an insanely boring collective unconscious).

-$Zero...

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