Another mass shooting in a gun-free zone

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

Mindset responds to his own interesting message and writes:

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot of people is in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand?

--Mindset.org.asm

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-27 19:26:46 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot of people is in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand?

I think it's a good thing if there are a few licensed concealed-carry
people in a mall, and if it's public knowledge that there are.

But I don't think it's something that is entirely liberals' fault. The
government doesn't like armed private citizens, whether they're Iraqi
or American.

Grand Mal

2008-07-27 19:42:01 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot of people is in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand?

I think it's a good thing if there are a few licensed concealed-carry
people in a mall, and if it's public knowledge that there are.
But I don't think it's something that is entirely liberals' fault. The
government doesn't like armed private citizens, whether they're Iraqi
or American.

If you want a good reason to not allow the general public to be armed, just
look at the traffic statistics to get an idea of the quality of their
judgement.

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-27 23:45:43 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot of people is in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand?

I think it's a good thing if there are a few licensed concealed-carry
people in a mall, and if it's public knowledge that there are.
But I don't think it's something that is entirely liberals' fault. The
government doesn't like armed private citizens, whether they're Iraqi
or American.

If you want a good reason to not allow the general public to be armed, just
look at the traffic statistics to get an idea of the quality of their
judgement.

Well, I'm sure nobody reasonable is talking about the "general public"
in the sense of lowering standards for concealed carry to the level of
the DMW road test. That would be really stupid.

Grand Mal

2008-07-28 00:13:06 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot of people
is
in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand?

I think it's a good thing if there are a few licensed concealed-carry
people in a mall, and if it's public knowledge that there are.
But I don't think it's something that is entirely liberals' fault. The
government doesn't like armed private citizens, whether they're Iraqi
or American.

If you want a good reason to not allow the general public to be armed, just
look at the traffic statistics to get an idea of the quality of their
judgement.

Well, I'm sure nobody reasonable is talking about the "general public"
in the sense of lowering standards for concealed carry to the level of
the DMW road test. That would be really stupid.

Last summer I worked with a crew of guys from Michigan and one of them
showed me his concealed-carry permit. He said that the fact that he wanted
it entitled him to it, that all he had to do was fill in an application form
and since he has no history of violent crime the State had to give him the
permit. He kind of sounded like he resented having to fill in the
application.

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-28 03:05:51 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot of people
is
in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand?

I think it's a good thing if there are a few licensed concealed-carry
people in a mall, and if it's public knowledge that there are.
But I don't think it's something that is entirely liberals' fault. The
government doesn't like armed private citizens, whether they're Iraqi
or American.

If you want a good reason to not allow the general public to be armed, just
look at the traffic statistics to get an idea of the quality of their
judgement.

Well, I'm sure nobody reasonable is talking about the "general public"
in the sense of lowering standards for concealed carry to the level of
the DMW road test. That would be really stupid.

I'm not sure I believe it's all that easy, especially in Michigan.

Grand Mal

2008-07-28 17:57:43 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot of people
is
in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand?

I think it's a good thing if there are a few licensed
concealed-carry
people in a mall, and if it's public knowledge that there are.
But I don't think it's something that is entirely liberals' fault. The
government doesn't like armed private citizens, whether they're Iraqi
or American.

If you want a good reason to not allow the general public to be armed, just
look at the traffic statistics to get an idea of the quality of their
judgement.

Well, I'm sure nobody reasonable is talking about the "general public"
in the sense of lowering standards for concealed carry to the level of
the DMW road test. That would be really stupid.

I'm not sure I believe it's all that easy, especially in Michigan.

Well, I suppose he could have been trying to impress us.

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-28 21:47:14 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot of people
is
in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand?

I think it's a good thing if there are a few licensed
concealed-carry
people in a mall, and if it's public knowledge that there are.
But I don't think it's something that is entirely liberals' fault. The
government doesn't like armed private citizens, whether they're Iraqi
or American.

If you want a good reason to not allow the general public to be armed, just
look at the traffic statistics to get an idea of the quality of their
judgement.

Well, I'm sure nobody reasonable is talking about the "general public"
in the sense of lowering standards for concealed carry to the level of
the DMW road test. That would be really stupid.

I'm not sure I believe it's all that easy, especially in Michigan.

Well, I suppose he could have been trying to impress us.

Actually, I was being too polite. I think you're full of it, because I
am sure there is an additional requirement that drivers don't have to
meet.

Grand Mal

2008-07-28 22:29:46 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot of people
is
in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand?

I think it's a good thing if there are a few licensed
concealed-carry
people in a mall, and if it's public knowledge that there are.
But I don't think it's something that is entirely liberals'
fault.
The
government doesn't like armed private citizens, whether they're Iraqi
or American.

If you want a good reason to not allow the general public to be
armed,
just
look at the traffic statistics to get an idea of the quality of their
judgement.

Well, I'm sure nobody reasonable is talking about the "general public"
in the sense of lowering standards for concealed carry to the level of
the DMW road test. That would be really stupid.

Last summer I worked with a crew of guys from Michigan and one of them
showed me his concealed-carry permit. He said that the fact that he wanted
it entitled him to it, that all he had to do was fill in an
application
form
and since he has no history of violent crime the State had to give him the
permit. He kind of sounded like he resented having to fill in the
application.

I'm not sure I believe it's all that easy, especially in Michigan.

Well, I suppose he could have been trying to impress us.

Actually, I was being too polite. I think you're full of it,

"Full of it", as in full of shit? As in, I'm lying?
What am I lying about? Working with the guy or him showing me his permit?

because I

Post by Pies de Arcilla
am sure there is an additional requirement that drivers don't have to
meet.

I don't know and I don't fucking care anymore. I just told you what this
dude from Michigan told me. Take it up with him.

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-28 22:49:30 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot of
people
is
in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand?

I think it's a good thing if there are a few licensed concealed-carry
people in a mall, and if it's public knowledge that there are.
But I don't think it's something that is entirely liberals'
fault.
The
government doesn't like armed private citizens, whether they're Iraqi
or American.

If you want a good reason to not allow the general public to be
armed,
just
look at the traffic statistics to get an idea of the quality of their
judgement.

Well, I'm sure nobody reasonable is talking about the "general public"
in the sense of lowering standards for concealed carry to the level of
the DMW road test. That would be really stupid.

Last summer I worked with a crew of guys from Michigan and one of them
showed me his concealed-carry permit. He said that the fact that he wanted
it entitled him to it, that all he had to do was fill in an
application
form
and since he has no history of violent crime the State had to give him the
permit. He kind of sounded like he resented having to fill in the
application.

I'm not sure I believe it's all that easy, especially in Michigan.

Well, I suppose he could have been trying to impress us.

Actually, I was being too polite. I think you're full of it,

"Full of it", as in full of shit? As in, I'm lying?
What am I lying about? Working with the guy or him showing me his permit?
because I

Post by Pies de Arcilla
am sure there is an additional requirement that drivers don't have to
meet.

I don't know and I don't fucking care anymore. I just told you what this
dude from Michigan told me. Take it up with him.

It's not true that they give permits to anybody without a history of
violent crime, and you are soft in the head for thinking so,
regardless of what someone supposedly told you.

See:
http://michigan.gov/msp/1,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10926--,00.html

Grand Mal

2008-07-29 01:16:53 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be
severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot of
people
is
in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to understand?

I think it's a good thing if there are a few licensed
concealed-carry
people in a mall, and if it's public knowledge that there are.
But I don't think it's something that is entirely liberals'
fault.
The
government doesn't like armed private citizens, whether
they're
Iraqi
or American.

If you want a good reason to not allow the general public to be
armed,
just
look at the traffic statistics to get an idea of the quality of their
judgement.

Well, I'm sure nobody reasonable is talking about the "general public"
in the sense of lowering standards for concealed carry to the
level
of
the DMW road test. That would be really stupid.

Last summer I worked with a crew of guys from Michigan and one of them
showed me his concealed-carry permit. He said that the fact that he wanted
it entitled him to it, that all he had to do was fill in an
application
form
and since he has no history of violent crime the State had to give
him
the
permit. He kind of sounded like he resented having to fill in the
application.

I'm not sure I believe it's all that easy, especially in Michigan.

Well, I suppose he could have been trying to impress us.

Actually, I was being too polite. I think you're full of it,

"Full of it", as in full of shit? As in, I'm lying?
What am I lying about? Working with the guy or him showing me his permit?
because I

Post by Pies de Arcilla
am sure there is an additional requirement that drivers don't have to
meet.

I don't know and I don't fucking care anymore. I just told you what this
dude from Michigan told me. Take it up with him.

It's not true that they give permits to anybody without a history of
violent crime, and you are soft in the head for thinking so,
regardless of what someone supposedly told you.
http://michigan.gov/msp/1,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10926--,00.html

Okay, what percentage of the general population do you suppose would be
disqualified by the criteria you posted? Would you? I'm pretty sure I
wouldn't. I'm guessing that 75% of the adult population of Michigan would
not be denied a concealed-carry permit under those criteria.
What's your friggin' point? Are you trying to say that the state of Michigan
has restrictive laws about carrying guns or are you trying to say that I'm a
liar and an idiot? "Supposedly told me"? Don't be an ass. What is there
about the USA that would make me doubt an American when he tells me that
he's allowed to carry a gun because he has no violent history? How would you
expect a blue-collar type to sum up those requirements in a conversation
with other blue-collar types?
Fuck it, I've already given this more effort than it deserves. Have it
however you want it to be.

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-29 01:44:25 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be
severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?

I have always said that the best place to go and shoot a lot
of
people
is
in
a gun-free zone. Why is that so hard for liberals to
understand?

I think it's a good thing if there are a few licensed
concealed-carry
people in a mall, and if it's public knowledge that there are.
But I don't think it's something that is entirely liberals'
fault.
The
government doesn't like armed private citizens, whether
they're
Iraqi
or American.

If you want a good reason to not allow the general public to be
armed,
just
look at the traffic statistics to get an idea of the quality of
their
judgement.

Well, I'm sure nobody reasonable is talking about the "general
public"
in the sense of lowering standards for concealed carry to the
level
of
the DMW road test. That would be really stupid.

Last summer I worked with a crew of guys from Michigan and one of them
showed me his concealed-carry permit. He said that the fact that he
wanted
it entitled him to it, that all he had to do was fill in an
application
form
and since he has no history of violent crime the State had to give
him
the
permit. He kind of sounded like he resented having to fill in the
application.

I'm not sure I believe it's all that easy, especially in Michigan.

Well, I suppose he could have been trying to impress us.

Actually, I was being too polite. I think you're full of it,

"Full of it", as in full of shit? As in, I'm lying?
What am I lying about? Working with the guy or him showing me his permit?
because I

Post by Pies de Arcilla
am sure there is an additional requirement that drivers don't have to
meet.

I don't know and I don't fucking care anymore. I just told you what this
dude from Michigan told me. Take it up with him.

I think that if you are not an American, and you were talking to an
American about guns, he might have been "taking the piss out of you".
Just because we don't call it that doesn't mean we don't do it.

I was irritated, because I made a perfectly correct statement about
CCW permits not being as easy to get as a driver license, and you
almost intimidated me into backing down with your anecdote before I
looked up the facts.

Grand Mal

2008-07-27 20:39:28 UTC

Post by Mindset.org.asm
These people who shoot guns in gun-free zones should be severly
repremanded. I mean, how rude, don't you think?
Don't they know it is not fair to do that because no one else has a gun
and can shoot back? I mean, that's why they call them gun-free zones.
They should at least call ahead and give someone a chance to go out to
their truck and get their own gun. But nooo!
Honestly! Some people! Lawzy lawzy.
--Mindset.org.asm

Here's a fellow Houstonian who decided to draw and fight back.

http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dws/txcn/houston/stories/khou080725_tj_atmrobbery.252da05.html

Luckily his injuries are minor.

So, hypothetically, what if he'd shot and killed the fleeing suspect? Would
he be justified in using deadly force if his own life and safety were no
longer in jeopardy?

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-28 03:01:53 UTC

Here's a fellow Houstonian who decided to draw and fight back.
http://www.txcn.com/sharedcontent/dws/txcn/houston/stories/khou080725...
Luckily his injuries are minor.
So, hypothetically, what if he'd shot and killed the fleeing suspect? Would
he be justified in using deadly force if his own life and safety were no
longer in jeopardy?

Who cares? Since I'm a Democrat, and will never own a gun, I really
don't care if people (probably Republicans) who have licenses for guns
shoot themselves right and left. I don't expect them to shoot _me_ in
a public place, and I do expect them to provide some deterrence to a
massacre.

Bill Penrose

2008-07-28 05:29:55 UTC

As the Tucson police said, if they show up at a gun battle and see
people firing guns at each other, they're going to 'stop' them
immediately, by whatever means, and find out later who was the crooks
and who the vigilantes. Unlike Geno, in Tucson we don't generally have
skin color as a reliable way to tell who's who.

DB

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-28 05:43:33 UTC

1. Who cares? Since I'm a Democrat and will never own a gun, it won't
be me who is getting shot by the cops. It's as if you are unable to
read what I post and think I'm some sort of wannabe vigilante. I think
anybody who carries a concealed weapon and tries to stop a crime in
progress is doing a _very_ risky thing. So why exactly should that
bother me or make me in favor of gun-free zones?

2. If someone pulls out a gun in a public place, any conflict is
probably going to be long over by the time the police get there.

Bill Penrose

2008-07-28 23:10:23 UTC

...So why exactly should that
bother me or make me in favor of gun-free zones?

Because most people who own guns don't really understand how to use
them, and those that do can't be bothered to practice regularly.

Once someone lets loose a round in a public place, who knows where
it's going to end up? It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions, but when you're scared shitless and
crouched behind an overturned lunch table (or pew), you couldn't be
less effective. You might as well cover your eyes and shoot at
random. .

DB

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-29 00:27:17 UTC

...So why exactly should that
bother me or make me in favor of gun-free zones?

Because most people who own guns don't really understand how to use
them, and those that do can't be bothered to practice regularly.
Once someone lets loose a round in a public place, who knows where
it's going to end up? It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions, but when you're scared shitless and
crouched behind an overturned lunch table (or pew), you couldn't be
less effective. You might as well cover your eyes and shoot at
random. .

No matter how you minimize the value of having someone sane and armed
around, it's still a better bet than being defenseless against someone
who wants to gun you down.

The police often seem to cover their eyes and shoot at random too. So
maybe we should not have police either.

Sylvia

2008-07-29 02:42:27 UTC

Pies de Arcilla <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<...>

Post by Pies de Arcilla
The police often seem to cover their eyes and shoot at random too. So
maybe we should not have police either.

Submitted for your approval: The case of Pies de Arcilla, an ordinary peep
leading a safe, hum-drum life. Today, Pies experiences something that cannot
be explained by science of mathematics, or even Unicorn Logic. Today Pies has
unlocked the door to another dimension, Pies has crossed over into...

[ beee bee bee beep bop bop beep bop! ]

The Twilight Zone...

Pies: "OMFG! I was just robbed at knife-point! He smashed
my knee, too, the bastard. Look! The guy's still
around, he's right over there! Quick, call a cop!"

Other Peep: "A *what*?"

Pies: "A cop! The police! Call the police!"

Other Peep: " <staring> Poh... poh what?"

Pies: "What's wrong with you? Call 911 and ask for police
assistance! OMG! The guy's coming back!
CALL A COP, NOW!"

Other Peep: "Apparently he didn't think ya gave him enough. I'm
outta here. If I run into that "Cap" peep, I'll be
sure to let him know you mentioned his name.
Good luck! <runs away>"

Pies: "Nooooooo! Wait! I don't understand! Where are
the cops when ya need them?

<robber approaches>

[Mercy FADE ]

--
Sylvia (mebbe I oughta do Pies a favor and send him into the corn field)

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-29 04:09:17 UTC

Post by Sylvia
<...>

Post by Pies de Arcilla
The police often seem to cover their eyes and shoot at random too. So
maybe we should not have police either.

Submitted for your approval: The case of Pies de Arcilla, an ordinary peep
leading a safe, hum-drum life.

You are apparently wishing violent death on me, because I made a pro-
police statement.

Bill Penrose

2008-07-29 05:10:20 UTC

Post by Pies de Arcilla
The police often seem to cover their eyes and shoot at random too. So
maybe we should not have police either.

You are apparently wishing violent death on me, because I made a pro-
police statement.

You did???

DB

boots

2008-07-29 08:06:48 UTC

Post by Sylvia
<...>

Post by Pies de Arcilla
The police often seem to cover their eyes and shoot at random too. So
maybe we should not have police either.

Submitted for your approval: The case of Pies de Arcilla, an ordinary peep
leading a safe, hum-drum life.

You are apparently wishing violent death on me, because I made a pro-
police statement.

Did you? Must have been sarcasm that didn't pass the crc check.

--
Don't read this crap... oops, too late!

[superstitious heathen grade 8]

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-30 04:14:52 UTC

Post by Sylvia
<...>

Post by Pies de Arcilla
The police often seem to cover their eyes and shoot at random too. So
maybe we should not have police either.

Submitted for your approval: The case of Pies de Arcilla, an ordinary peep
leading a safe, hum-drum life.

You are apparently wishing violent death on me, because I made a pro-
police statement.

Did you? Must have been sarcasm that didn't pass the crc check.

I was drawing a parallel, and yes I was being sarcastic. Things
sometimes go wrong when the police draw their weapons, just as things
can go wrong when private citizens try to stop a crime in progress.
That doesn't mean we would be better off on average without police,
and that doesn't mean we would be better off without a CCW holder in
the vicinity when facing a wannabe mass murderer.

Alan Hope

2008-07-30 06:24:29 UTC

Post by Sylvia
<...>

Post by Pies de Arcilla
The police often seem to cover their eyes and shoot at random too. So
maybe we should not have police either.

Submitted for your approval: The case of Pies de Arcilla, an ordinary peep
leading a safe, hum-drum life.

You are apparently wishing violent death on me, because I made a pro-
police statement.

Did you? Must have been sarcasm that didn't pass the crc check.

But we all know that in general a police force is a handy thing to
have. Where do you get the idea that a CCW holder is also a good
thing? You see, it's possible to balance the existence of a police
force with the few things that go wrong and still come out positive.
But where's the good side of CCW holders, with which you might balance
out the bad? How have CCW holders proven their worth?

I know you (and others) think it's a good idea, but can we get beyond
that, to where you *show* how it's a good idea?

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Sylvia

2008-07-29 14:11:27 UTC

Post by Sylvia
<...>

Post by Pies de Arcilla
The police often seem to cover their eyes and shoot at random too. So
maybe we should not have police either.

Submitted for your approval: The case of Pies de Arcilla, an ordinary peep
leading a safe, hum-drum life.

You are apparently wishing violent death on me,

No, I didn't, Pies. Yer havin' a problem with that reality/fantasy dividing
line again.

Post by Pies de Arcilla
because I made a pro-police statement.

No, you didn't, Pies. Yer havin' a problem with that reality/fantasy dividing
line again. Even when you quote yerself.

Just thought you ought know that.

--
Sylvia

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-30 04:21:15 UTC

Post by Sylvia
<...>

Post by Pies de Arcilla
The police often seem to cover their eyes and shoot at random too. So
maybe we should not have police either.

Submitted for your approval: The case of Pies de Arcilla, an ordinary peep
leading a safe, hum-drum life.

You are apparently wishing violent death on me,

No, I didn't, Pies. Yer havin' a problem with that reality/fantasy dividing
line again.

Post by Pies de Arcilla
because I made a pro-police statement.

No, you didn't, Pies. Yer havin' a problem with that reality/fantasy dividing
line again. Even when you quote yerself.
Just thought you ought know that.

My point was that although police officers may make mistakes or
deliberately do bad things, that doesn't mean we don't need them.

And I was drawing a parallel with CCW holders.

And because you were unable to appreciate that I was making a pro-
police statement, you were making up a story about me being a victim
of violence because apparently anyone who isn't sufficiently
respectful of the police in _your_ world deserves to be brutalized.

Alan Hope

2008-07-30 06:21:43 UTC

Post by Pies de Arcilla
My point was that although police officers may make mistakes or
deliberately do bad things, that doesn't mean we don't need them.

You're making a category error here. Conflating two meanings of the
word "police".

Yes, we certainly need police, but we don't need police who
deliberately do bad things, and in many cases we don't need the police
who make mistakes. Just because we need Police, let's say, doesn't
mean we have to accept every police.

And anyway, how that statement relates to citizens carrying guns
(which is what police are) is not clear. The utility of Police is
clear despite the actions of police, but I've yet to see the utility
of armed citizens demonstrated. I've asked a couple of times for
examples where a gun-carrying citizen was able to prevent, or stop, a
rampaging gunman, but there's been no answer so far. I wonder why?

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

boots

2008-07-29 08:05:36 UTC

...So why exactly should that
bother me or make me in favor of gun-free zones?

Because most people who own guns don't really understand how to use
them, and those that do can't be bothered to practice regularly.
Once someone lets loose a round in a public place, who knows where
it's going to end up? It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions, but when you're scared shitless and
crouched behind an overturned lunch table (or pew), you couldn't be
less effective. You might as well cover your eyes and shoot at
random. .

No matter how you minimize the value of having someone sane and armed
around, it's still a better bet than being defenseless against someone
who wants to gun you down.

You're skipping over the notion of "sane and armed". The Disney
generation believes that's an impossibility, an oxymoron.

Post by Pies de Arcilla
The police often seem to cover their eyes and shoot at random too. So
maybe we should not have police either.

Maybe everybody should be their own police and mind their own bidness.

--
Don't read this crap... oops, too late!

[superstitious heathen grade 8]

Sylvia

2008-07-29 00:51:39 UTC

Bill Penrose wrote:

<...>

Post by Bill Penrose
It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions,

<...>

Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.

It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of circumstances.

Shooting a basketball through a regulation height hoop, now *that* would be
hard for me even under the best of circumstances. Not impossible, mebbe, as I
did it in high school, but I am way out of practice.

Not to mention two-foot-two.

--
Sylvia <--- was good at stealing the ball and then passing it to a Tall Folk
Peep to shoot

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-29 01:07:23 UTC

<...>> It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight

Post by Bill Penrose
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of circumstances.
Shooting a basketball through a regulation height hoop, now *that* would be
hard for me even under the best of circumstances. Not impossible, mebbe, as I
did it in high school, but I am way out of practice.
Not to mention two-foot-two.

Like I said, the police can't shoot straight. Does that mean we don't
need police? They're better than nothing. And an armed CCW holder is
better than nothing when the police are 20 minutes away.

Sylvia

2008-07-29 02:20:16 UTC

<...>> It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight

Post by Bill Penrose
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of circumstances.
Shooting a basketball through a regulation height hoop, now *that* would
be hard for me even under the best of circumstances. Not impossible,
mebbe, as I did it in high school, but I am way out of practice.
Not to mention two-foot-two.

Like I said, the police can't shoot straight.

I wouldn't know, I didn't play their team, I was in high school for Jove's
sake. I can't see why cops would be any worse at basketball than they would be
at, say, volleyball--which I hated and how the hell I ended up on an
intramural team is beyond me. The only reason we progressed as far as we did
was because we were scheduled to 7:30 AM and we kept winnin' by default as one
opposin' team after another overslept.

The first time another team was able to scrape up a quorum, we wuz out.

Post by Pies de Arcilla
Does that mean we

<...>

<considering>

I think it was all that havin' to look up while playin' all the time, I didn't
have to do that when I was busy <scampering> along, stealing basketballs.

'K, right there is another reason while I didn't play against the police.

--
Sylvia

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-29 04:11:30 UTC

Post by Sylvia
I wouldn't know, I didn't play their team,

Geno was right, completely right, for once, and that's all there is to
it.

2008-07-29 04:56:27 UTC

Post by Sylvia
I wouldn't know, I didn't play their team,

Geno was right, completely right, for once, and that's all there is to
it.

You read like a zombie on Thorazine. You also read like a zombie on
Thorazine. Gramps pimped you and you're either showing your cognitive
dissonance here or just don't get it; I think the latter. If the lying
old scumbag still had access to the racist jokes locked away in his
solidifying skull, he'd show up about now and wisecrack about how it
would be just like you to bring a knife to a gunfight.

LNC

Sylvia

2008-07-29 14:05:06 UTC

[regarding high school basketball games]

Post by LN

Post by Sylvia
I wouldn't know, I didn't play their team,

Geno was right, completely right, for once, and that's all there is to
it.

Hello? I'm the only authority here on which teams I played against.

Post by LN
You read like a zombie on Thorazine. You also read like a zombie on
Thorazine. Gramps pimped you and you're either showing your cognitive
dissonance here or just don't get it; I think the latter.

<...>

Pies is seein' imaginary peeps named "Geno" attending Pie's imaginary memories
of my high school basketball games.

That's not a good thing, is it?

--
Sylvia (that's weirder than seein' dead people)

(oh, wait...)

Pies de Arcilla

2008-07-30 05:17:14 UTC

Post by LN

Post by Sylvia
I wouldn't know, I didn't play their team,

Geno was right, completely right, for once, and that's all there is to
it.

You read like a zombie on Thorazine. You also read like a zombie on
Thorazine.

I don't take Thorazine; I'm on a newer antipsychotic called Risperdal.

Post by LN
Gramps pimped you and you're either showing your cognitive
dissonance here or just don't get it; I think the latter. If the lying
old scumbag still had access to the racist jokes locked away in his
solidifying skull, he'd show up about now and wisecrack about how it
would be just like you to bring a knife to a gunfight.

I'm not interested in being buddies with him. But that doesn't mean
he's not right sometimes. And you know, he's never resorted to calling
me a n*gger when I disagree with him like some people do. That shows a
certain character.

Sylvia

2008-07-29 13:55:27 UTC

<UNsnip!>

Post by Sylvia
<...>

Post by Bill Penrose
It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions,

Post by Sylvia
<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances
with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of circumstances.
Shooting a basketball through a regulation height hoop, now *that*
would be hard for me even under the best of circumstances. Not
impossible, mebbe, as I did it in high school, but I am way out of
practice.

Not to mention two-foot-two.

Post by Pies de Arcilla
Like I said, the police can't shoot straight.

Post by Sylvia
I wouldn't know, I didn't play their team, I was in high school for Jove's
sake. I can't see why cops would be any worse at basketball than they would
be at, say, volleyball--which I hated and how the hell I ended up on an
intramural team is beyond me. The only reason we progressed as far as we
did was because we were scheduled to 7:30 AM and we kept winnin' by default
as one opposin' team after another overslept.
The first time another team was able to scrape up a quorum, we wuz out.

</UNsnip!>

Post by Pies de Arcilla
Geno was right, completely right, for once, and that's all there is to
it.

Who?

Pies, do try to focus.

--
Sylvia

boots

2008-07-29 08:14:40 UTC

<...>> It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight

Post by Bill Penrose
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of circumstances.
Shooting a basketball through a regulation height hoop, now *that* would be
hard for me even under the best of circumstances. Not impossible, mebbe, as I
did it in high school, but I am way out of practice.
Not to mention two-foot-two.

Like I said, the police can't shoot straight.

I think you've been watching too much TV. On TV the cops can't shoot
straight, the robbers can't shoot straight, and a spray of machine gun
fire misses everything nearby. In real life? The few cops I've known
could shoot plenty straight. It isn't about shooting straight,
really; it's more about being comfortable with death all around you,
being in the zone where you know what to do and just do it. Look at
the official reports behind shooting incidents gone bad and you'll
probably find guys pondering whether it's morally right to take a life
while they're under fire and getting buried for philosophizing instead
of taking care of bidness. Shame Stan never speaks up in these "gunz
kill" threads, seems like there's never a cop around when ya need one.

--
Don't read this crap... oops, too late!

[superstitious heathen grade 8]

Stan (the Man)

2008-07-29 10:20:19 UTC

<...>> It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight

Post by Bill Penrose
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of
circumstances.
Shooting a basketball through a regulation height hoop, now *that*
would be hard for me even under the best of circumstances. Not
impossible, mebbe, as I did it in high school, but I am way out of
practice.
Not to mention two-foot-two.

Like I said, the police can't shoot straight.

Want me to speak up? Ok. You're all full of shit.

HTH

--
Stan

boots

2008-07-29 10:24:59 UTC

<...>> It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight

Post by Bill Penrose
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of
circumstances.
Shooting a basketball through a regulation height hoop, now *that*
would be hard for me even under the best of circumstances. Not
impossible, mebbe, as I did it in high school, but I am way out of
practice.
Not to mention two-foot-two.

Like I said, the police can't shoot straight.

Want me to speak up? Ok. You're all full of shit.

Tells us about it then ossifer Stan. How is it really? Cops can't
shoot straight after all? The ones I've known who could were
aberrations? Tell us about what you're taught, are you taught to
ponder morality or respond mechanically? 'Splain it to us, willya?

--
Don't read this crap... oops, too late!

[superstitious heathen grade 8]

Alan Hope

2008-07-29 13:00:35 UTC

Post by boots
Tells us about it then ossifer Stan. How is it really? Cops can't
shoot straight after all? The ones I've known who could were
aberrations? Tell us about what you're taught, are you taught to
ponder morality or respond mechanically? 'Splain it to us, willya?

98% of cops go through their career without ever firing their weapons
in anger. So it really makes little difference whether they can shoot
straight.

Actually the figure is pretty unbelievable, though it's the only one I
could find. Even if it's out by an order of magninitude, that still
means the vast majority only ever smell the smell of cordite in the
morning on the range.

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Sylvia

2008-07-29 16:56:11 UTC

that still means the vast majority only ever smell the smell of cordite in
the morning on the range.

If I'm practicin' in the mornin', I use rounds with a gunpowder base wot
smells like coffee, tasty crisp bacon, and nicely browning French toast.

--
Sylvia

Ray Haddad

2008-07-29 22:26:30 UTC

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:00:35 +0200, I said, "Pick a card, any card"

Post by Alan Hope
98% of cops go through their career without ever firing their weapons
in anger. So it really makes little difference whether they can shoot
straight.

One would hope they'd never fire it in anger as that puts them in
the same class as a criminal doing murder. Firing for self
protection or protection of the public should be the only reasons.
Never anger. Fear, perhaps, should play a part.
--
Ray

Sylvia

2008-07-29 23:16:11 UTC

Post by Alan Hope
98% of cops go through their career without ever firing their weapons
in anger. So it really makes little difference whether they can shoot
straight.

Ladies and Gentlemen, The Idiot Ray Haddad, still not getting the English
Language thingy.

--
Sylvia

Ray Haddad

2008-07-29 23:20:30 UTC

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:16:11 -0500, I said, "Pick a card, any card"

Post by Alan Hope
98% of cops go through their career without ever firing their weapons
in anger. So it really makes little difference whether they can shoot
straight.

Ladies and Gentlemen, The Idiot Ray Haddad, still not getting the English
Language thingy.

And here comes Sylvia, obsessive and compulsive in attempting vainly
to criticize me about something she knows nothing about.

You just do it out of habit now. Right?
--
Ray

Sylvia

2008-07-30 01:13:15 UTC

Ray Haddad: "Oh, there was disagreement but there were
people here who got their meaning across to
others with a crispness that was very nearly
sharp enough to slice a lemon."

Mr. Hope: "Barf."

Post by Alan Hope
98% of cops go through their career without ever firing their weapons
in anger. So it really makes little difference whether they can shoot
straight.

Ladies and Gentlemen, The Idiot Ray Haddad, still not getting the English
Language thingy.

And here comes Sylvia, obsessive and compulsive in attempting vainly
to criticize me about something she knows nothing about.

<...>

Barf.

Ladies and Gentlemen, The Idiot Ray Haddad, self-proclaimed Professional
Writer, once again not getting the English Language thingy.

"Kids today are just as varied as when we were
young but there is one exception to this concept."

-- The writing of Ray Haddad, self-proclaimed
professional writer

"I write non fiction that deals exclusively with what I do as
a primary profession. It's part and parcel of what I do so my
income from that is lumped in one basket, so to speak."

-- The writing of Ray Haddad, self-proclaimed
professional writer

"I know this because I was personally unloading bags
of both during some rain that made even breathing an
effort with 10 inches per hour arriving in great sheets
from an unforgiving sky."

-- The writing of Ray Haddad, self-proclaimed
professional writer

--
Sylvia

Alan Hope

2008-07-29 23:42:06 UTC

Post by Ray Haddad
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:00:35 +0200, I said, "Pick a card, any card"

Post by Alan Hope
98% of cops go through their career without ever firing their weapons
in anger. So it really makes little difference whether they can shoot
straight.

Shut the fuck up, arsehole.

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Ray Haddad

2008-07-29 23:54:49 UTC

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 01:42:06 +0200, I said, "Pick a card, any card"

Post by Ray Haddad
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:00:35 +0200, I said, "Pick a card, any card"

Post by Alan Hope
98% of cops go through their career without ever firing their weapons
in anger. So it really makes little difference whether they can shoot
straight.

Shut the fuck up, arsehole.

No.
--
Ray

Stan (the Man)

2008-07-29 14:58:34 UTC

<...>> It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight

Post by Bill Penrose
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of
circumstances.
Shooting a basketball through a regulation height hoop, now *that*
would be hard for me even under the best of circumstances. Not
impossible, mebbe, as I did it in high school, but I am way out of
practice.
Not to mention two-foot-two.

Like I said, the police can't shoot straight.

Want me to speak up? Ok. You're all full of shit.

Um . . . 'cept for the Supreme Ruler, of course.

(someone cover me, 'k?)

--
Stan

Sylvia

2008-07-29 15:49:34 UTC

Post by Sylvia
<...>

Post by Bill Penrose
It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of
circumstances.
Shooting a basketball through a regulation height hoop, now *that*
would be hard for me even under the best of circumstances. Not
impossible, mebbe, as I did it in high school, but I am way out of
practice.
Not to mention two-foot-two.

Post by Pies de Arcilla
Like I said, the police can't shoot straight.

Want me to speak up? Ok. You're all full of shit.

HEY!

<dangerous stare>

Are you sayin' that I'm NOT two-foot-two? Or that I don't have good aim?

<aiming one petite foot at Mr. Stan's ankle>

Post by Stan (the Man)
Um . . . 'cept for the Supreme Ruler, of course.

<placing petite foot back down>

<sweetly>

Much better.

Post by Stan (the Man)
(someone cover me, 'k?)

<shrug>

'K.

<dropping Blankie over Mr. Stan>

Don't even *think* about smokin' one of them ceegars right now, or I'll climb
me ladder and slam dunk a basketball into yer noggin.

--
Sylvia <--- Supreme Ruler of MW & a Petite Peep

"Two foot tall, yet rules them all! Less is more!"

Bill Penrose

2008-07-29 16:13:48 UTC

Post by Stan (the Man)
Want me to speak up? Ok. You're all full of shit.

Seeing as you're the only one here who actually knows, why don't you
chime in? What's your take on armed citizens diving in in a situation
like the Tennessee shooting? I mean, the kind of people that buy a gun
and maybe take it to the range a few times, stick it in their
underwear or purse, and have never actually faced deadly force
before.

I really wanna know. I know the official position of the Tucson
police, but that's all.

Dangerous Bill

Stan (the Man)

2008-07-29 16:52:30 UTC

Post by Stan (the Man)
Want me to speak up? Ok. You're all full of shit.

Seeing as you're the only one here who actually knows,

I don't believe that's quite true.

why don't you

Post by Bill Penrose
chime in?

I did.

What's your take on armed citizens diving in in a situation

Post by Bill Penrose
like the Tennessee shooting? I mean, the kind of people that buy a gun
and maybe take it to the range a few times, stick it in their
underwear or purse, and have never actually faced deadly force
before.

As Alan pointed out, neither have most police officers.

Post by Bill Penrose
I really wanna know. I know the official position of the Tucson
police, but that's all.

I support the 2nd Amendment. If I didn't, I would encourage my elected
representatives to follow the built-in procedure for changing it.

And sports. I'm an enthusiastic athletic supporter.

--
Stan

Alan Hope

2008-07-29 12:52:35 UTC

<...>> It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight

Post by Bill Penrose
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of circumstances.
Shooting a basketball through a regulation height hoop, now *that* would be
hard for me even under the best of circumstances. Not impossible, mebbe, as I
did it in high school, but I am way out of practice.
Not to mention two-foot-two.

Like I said, the police can't shoot straight.

No, that's not what you find at all. What people describe is
experiences of hyper-aesthesia, slowed motion perception, altered
consciousness and stretched time. In one case, the very bullet-time
effect you see in The Matrix. Read Malcolm Gladwell's _Blink_ which
has a whole chapter on such things.

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Bill Penrose

2008-07-29 05:15:14 UTC

<...>> It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight

Post by Bill Penrose
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of circumstances.

I shoot a 96 or 97 under range conditions using a rifle, even at my
age and eyesight. But I've practiced with a Browning .45 on a man
target at 25 feet. Firing slowly and aiming each shot (under an
instructor's eye), I emptied the magazine without landing a single
shot.

I wasn't embarrassed, because the other 15 or so cadets didn't do any
better.

DB

boots

2008-07-29 08:24:12 UTC

<...>> It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight

Post by Bill Penrose
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of circumstances.

I shoot a 96 or 97 under range conditions using a rifle, even at my
age and eyesight. But I've practiced with a Browning .45 on a man
target at 25 feet. Firing slowly and aiming each shot (under an
instructor's eye), I emptied the magazine without landing a single
shot.
I wasn't embarrassed, because the other 15 or so cadets didn't do any
better.
DB

45's suck ass. It ain't about scaring the guy to death by shooting
near him. It's about placing a small piece of lead through a vital
organ. Or in his face, that'll confuse him long enough to finish the
job.

Well what the fuck do I know, I change where I step for the goddamn
ants. I do know that before I pawned my last gun (a s&w kit gun with
a 1-1/2" barrel) to buy heating gas I could hit beer cans at the
distance you're talking about missing oil barrels, and I ain't talking
occasionally.

Kids these days. <g>

--
Don't read this crap... oops, too late!

[superstitious heathen grade 8]

Sylvia

2008-07-29 13:31:51 UTC

<...>> It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight

Post by Bill Penrose
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of circumstances.

I shoot a 96 or 97 under range conditions using a rifle, even at my
age and eyesight.

Yes, it's easier to shoot straight with a rifle than with a pistol.

Post by Bill Penrose
But I've practiced with a Browning .45 on a man target at 25 feet. Firing
slowly and aiming each shot (under an instructor's eye), I emptied the
magazine without landing a single shot.

What do you mean by "practiced"? That single episode when you squeezed the
trigger of a .45 mebbe seven times and missed the target? 'Cause that ain't
practice, that's trying something new--not *learning*, just trying. Are you
leaving out the rest of the story? Like where the instructor then made you go
through *boxes* of ammunition that same time on the range? Or was it just a
"Here, fire a .45 and feel the difference" thingy"?

Practice is going to the range regularly, with your own weapon(s), and going
through hundreds of rounds each time, no matter how good you think you are.
Preferably with someone who is qualified to critique your shooting being
present. And, *that* is the best of circumstances.

In my case, that is also "recreation".
.

Post by Bill Penrose
I wasn't embarrassed, because the other 15 or so cadets didn't do any
better.

It's incredible that no one of you managed to hit a target even by accident.
If what you described as "practice" was *not* actually nothing more than your
first ten minutes on a pistol range, then y'all should have been drummed out
of whatever organization it was you were cadets of.

--
Sylvia

Alan Hope

2008-07-29 14:14:29 UTC

<...>> It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight

Post by Bill Penrose
under the best of conditions,

<...>
Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of circumstances with ease.
It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of circumstances.

I shoot a 96 or 97 under range conditions using a rifle, even at my
age and eyesight.

Yes, it's easier to shoot straight with a rifle than with a pistol.

What do you mean by "practiced"? That single episode when you squeezed the
trigger of a .45 mebbe seven times and missed the target? 'Cause that ain't
practice, that's trying something new--not *learning*, just trying. Are you
leaving out the rest of the story? Like where the instructor then made you go
through *boxes* of ammunition that same time on the range? Or was it just a
"Here, fire a .45 and feel the difference" thingy"?
Practice is going to the range regularly, with your own weapon(s), and going
through hundreds of rounds each time, no matter how good you think you are.
Preferably with someone who is qualified to critique your shooting being
present. And, *that* is the best of circumstances.
In my case, that is also "recreation".

I hope SlimySkip is reading this. Wouldn't want him to have to change
his name (again!) to PerforatedPress.

Post by Bill Penrose
I wasn't embarrassed, because the other 15 or so cadets didn't do any
better.

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Bill Penrose

2008-07-29 16:20:38 UTC

Post by Sylvia
What do you mean by "practiced"? That single episode when you squeezed the
trigger of a .45 mebbe seven times and missed the target?

It was occasions than that, but that's my point, isn't it? How many
people actually have the time, or the money, to go to the range once a
week or once a month, and pop off a box of ammunition, against the
extremely unlikely chance that a looney will walk into their church or
fast food joint with a shotgun?

How many of those people would really have the stones to aim, fire,
and kill someone, especially under that kind of duress? Especially if
they thought about the lawsuits, notoriety, and investigations they'd
be involved in after the fact.

DB

Bill Penrose

2008-07-29 16:30:01 UTC

Post by Sylvia
What do you mean by "practiced"? That single episode when you squeezed the
trigger of a .45 mebbe seven times and missed the target?

It was occasions than that, but that's my point, isn't it? How many
people actually have the time, or the money, to go to the range

As an illustration, in Tucson, where there are more guns per capita
than most places in the US, there is only one pistol range accessible
to civilians. If gun owners were truly responsible, there'd be as many
ranges as McDonald's or Walmarts.

DB

Jackson Pillock

2008-07-29 17:39:27 UTC

Post by Sylvia
What do you mean by "practiced"? That single episode when you
squeezed

the

Post by Sylvia
trigger of a .45 mebbe seven times and missed the target?

It was occasions than that, but that's my point, isn't it? How many
people actually have the time, or the money, to go to the range

As well as being able to shoot, you must be able to kill. Modern armies
have begun to specifically train soldiers to kill, given that,

"...the evidence shows that the vast majority of combatants throughout
history, at the moment of truth when they could and should kill the
enemy, have found themselves to be conscientious objectors." (Economst
View August 1st, 2007).

The average person, by having a gun on his or her premises, merely
ensures that there is a lethal weapon on scene. Might well come in handy
against you, if you have not trained yourself to kill. Even then, people
often end up shooting their nearest and dearest. I personally know four
people who died of gunshot wounds, and one who lost an arm. Three died
in a double-murder/suicide, and the fourth was a kid, playing with his
dad's gun. Neither case involved a non-family member.

I remember, when I was still quite young, a couple of friends were going
out to confront some other kids who'd dissed them, or threatened them in
some way. One of them, Big Louie (he was actually called 'Big Louie')
had a butterfly knife, a blade with a split metal handle which locks
when the two halves are together with the blade extending straight out.
You can flip it open it with a flourish, flick, flick, flick and you're
not only brandishing, but brandishing with style. Big Louie proposed to
bring this along.

The other kid talked him out of it, reasoning that if he brought it, he
was going to end up needing it. Always seemed a pretty good approach to
me. Big Louie later gave me the knife, and I learned to do draw it,
flick, flick, flick, in my bedroom. Cool. Kung fu knife-boy.

Yeah. Good job I could run.

Ultraviolet

2008-07-29 17:52:20 UTC

Jackson Pillock stole the cookies from the cookie jar...

<>

Post by Jackson Pillock
Yeah. Good job I could run.

I would use my superior logic skillz to talk a baddie out of shooting
me, and if those failed, I'd write such a mean parody of him he'd run
off in shame.

Could be a her, I suppose. Do women ever go on mad shooting sprees?

--
UV

Jackson Pillock

2008-07-29 17:54:42 UTC

Post by Ultraviolet
Could be a her, I suppose. Do women ever go on mad shooting sprees?

Lucky for me, Mrs. P has no access to firearms.

Stan (the Man)

2008-07-29 18:01:52 UTC

Post by Ultraviolet
Jackson Pillock stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
<>

Post by Jackson Pillock
Yeah. Good job I could run.

I would use my superior logic skillz to talk a baddie out of shooting
me, and if those failed, I'd write such a mean parody of him he'd run
off in shame.
Could be a her, I suppose. Do women ever go on mad shooting sprees?

<http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/08/la.tech.shooting/>

--
Stan

Sylvia

2008-07-29 18:29:45 UTC

Post by Ultraviolet
Jackson Pillock stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
<>

Post by Jackson Pillock
Yeah. Good job I could run.

I would use my superior logic skillz to talk a baddie out of shooting
me, and if those failed, I'd write such a mean parody of him he'd run
off in shame.

<...>

Pen. Mightier. innit.

--
Sylvia

Ultraviolet

2008-07-29 18:30:47 UTC

Sylvia stole the cookies from the cookie jar...

Post by Ultraviolet
Jackson Pillock stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
<>

Post by Jackson Pillock
Yeah. Good job I could run.

I would use my superior logic skillz to talk a baddie out of
shooting me, and if those failed, I'd write such a mean parody of
him he'd run off in shame.

<...>
Pen. Mightier. innit.

For sure.

Now what colors do those bullet deflectin' bracelets come in?

--
UV

Sylvia

2008-07-29 18:27:36 UTC

Mr. Pillock wrote:

<...>

Post by Jackson Pillock
I remember, when I was still quite young, a couple of friends were going
out to confront some other kids who'd dissed them, or threatened them in
some way. One of them, Big Louie (he was actually called 'Big Louie')
had a butterfly knife, a blade with a split metal handle which locks
when the two halves are together with the blade extending straight out.
You can flip it open it with a flourish, flick, flick, flick and you're
not only brandishing, but brandishing with style. Big Louie proposed to
bring this along.
The other kid talked him out of it, reasoning that if he brought it, he
was going to end up needing it. Always seemed a pretty good approach to
me. Big Louie later gave me the knife, and I learned to do draw it,
flick, flick, flick, in my bedroom. Cool. Kung fu knife-boy.

This is a RONCO commercial, right?

Post by Jackson Pillock
Yeah. Good job I could run.

Oh.

"Kung fu knife-boy"... yeah, I could sell that! DIBS! Hell, I could sell it to
Mr. Pritchard as a computer game, you betcha!

--
Sylvia

Jackson Pillock

2008-07-29 18:41:40 UTC

Post by Sylvia
<...>

Post by Jackson Pillock
I remember, when I was still quite young, a couple of friends were
going out to confront some other kids who'd dissed them, or
threatened them in some way. One of them, Big Louie (he was actually
called 'Big Louie') had a butterfly knife, a blade with a split metal
handle which locks when the two halves are together with the blade
extending straight out. You can flip it open it with a flourish,
flick, flick, flick and you're not only brandishing, but brandishing
with style. Big Louie proposed to bring this along.
The other kid talked him out of it, reasoning that if he brought it,
he was going to end up needing it. Always seemed a pretty good
approach to me. Big Louie later gave me the knife, and I learned to
do draw it, flick, flick, flick, in my bedroom. Cool. Kung fu
knife-boy.

This is a RONCO commercial, right?

'Does what it says on the tin'?

Post by Jackson Pillock
Yeah. Good job I could run.

Oh.
"Kung fu knife-boy"... yeah, I could sell that! DIBS! Hell, I could
sell it to Mr. Pritchard as a computer game, you betcha!

'Enter a world of Led Zeppelin and manky bra catalogues, stands a lone
warrior, posing in the mirror...'

Jackson Pillock

2008-07-29 18:43:21 UTC

In a world of Led Zeppelin and manky bra catalogues, stands a lone
warrior, posing in the mirror...'

Sylvia

2008-07-29 18:09:44 UTC

Post by Sylvia
What do you mean by "practiced"? That single episode when you squeezed the
trigger of a .45 mebbe seven times and missed the target?

It was occasions than that, but that's my point, isn't it? How many
people actually have the time, or the money, to go to the range

As an illustration, in Tucson, where there are more guns per capita
than most places in the US, there is only one pistol range accessible
to civilians.

Liar. As an illustration:

Marksman Pistol Institute
5051 E 29th St, Tucson, AZ - (520) 747-8657

Tucson Rod & Gun Club
6000 N Sabino Canyon Rd, Tucson, AZ - (520) 749-3283

Pima Pistol Club
13390 N Lago Del Oro Pkwy, Tucson, AZ - (520) 825-3603

Pima County Government: So West Regional Park Shooting Range [PUBLIC]
Tucson, AZ - (520) 877-6128

----------------------------------------------------------------
Q: "Anyone in the Tucson area want to head out to the range for some shooty
goodness? [...] I recently moved out here [...] and want to check out some of
the nearby ranges/desert shooting areas, but am not familiar with any of them
except the Tucson Rifle Club way out on the Ajo Highway.[...]"

A: "Welcome to the neighborhood. The weather is getting nice. We just have to
let the bugs know that it is tough to see the front sight when they're buzzing
about. Just FYI, you've got a number of ranges in the TUS area. Not sure just
what type of shooting sports you're into but you can check out the various
ranges and their schedules.

"Pimapistol.org ==> Pima Pistol Range, IDPA, USPSA / IPSC, also some three gun
matches too.

"Good info @ Tucsonshooting.org

"Also if you're in a traveling mood, Sierra Vista, Douglas, and Gila Bend all
host various type of shooting and shooting events. The SV club hosts a casual
steel shoot on the third Sunday of every month. So if you'd like to get some
handgun bang / clang action that is a fun time.

See you at the range! Good Shooting!"

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=221405
--------------------------------------------------------------------

Post by Bill Penrose
If gun owners were truly responsible, there'd be as many
ranges as McDonald's or Walmarts.

Totally ridiculous statement.

And, I'd bet a lot of Tucson peeps interested in target practice have access
to private property out there in the desert, the way a lot of peeps in TX
practice in surrounding ranch and farm land.

--
Sylvia

Bill Penrose

2008-07-29 23:30:46 UTC

Pima County Government: So West Regional Park Shooting Range [PUBLIC]
Tucson, AZ - (520) 877-6128

This was the only one my son was able to find where the membership
wasn't outrageous or wasn't limited to peace officers. Some have long
waiting lists.

I'll give him this list. Maybe there's one he hasn't checked.

My comment stands. For Mr. Husband or Mrs. Wife who isn't an
aficionado and just wants a gun to scare away the bad guys, there is
no way to practice. You have to get into the culture and make an
avocation of it. That's a lot to invest in case a nutcase decides to
worship in *your* church.

And, I'd bet a lot of Tucson peeps interested in target practice have access
to private property out there in the desert, the way a lot of peeps in TX
practice in surrounding ranch and farm land.

Actually, after a drive about five miles out Redington Pass Road(1),
the ground underfoot changes from gravel to expended cartridge cases.
They actually crunch and tinkle underfoot, and the leached copper has
killed almost everything alone the roadside.

On a Saturday, you can hear shooting everywhere. When you drive past
some areas of Redington Pass, the racket stops and all these macho men
in their Army-fatigue playsuits stare at you until you pass by. Then
it starts up again. (It's on National Forest land and technically
illegal, but I doubt anyone's ever been cited.)

DB
Note1: GoogleEarth it.

Bill Penrose

2008-07-30 01:00:28 UTC

Pima County Government: So West Regional Park Shooting Range [PUBLIC]
Tucson, AZ - (520) 877-6128

Oops. He said he'd been looking for one within an hour's drive of
where we live. This squares with the list at tucsonshooting.org

Now that he works indoors(1) and doesn't go to church, he's shelved
the idea of owning a gun.

DB
Note 1: The urge for gun ownership came after an unprovoked javelina
attack while working behind a factory.

Sylvia

2008-07-30 01:05:57 UTC

In article
<UNsnip!>
<...>

Post by Bill Penrose
As an illustration, in Tucson, where there are more guns per capita
than most places in the US, there is only one pistol range accessible
to civilians.

Marksman Pistol Institute
5051 E 29th St, Tucson, AZ - (520) 747-8657
Tucson Rod & Gun Club
6000 N Sabino Canyon Rd, Tucson, AZ - (520) 749-3283
Pima Pistol Club
13390 N Lago Del Oro Pkwy, Tucson, AZ - (520) 825-3603

</UNsnip!>

Post by Sylvia
Pima County Government: So West Regional Park Shooting Range [PUBLIC]
Tucson, AZ - (520) 877-6128

This was the only one my son was able to find

Introduce him to Google, tell him to use: "gun range" Tucson, AZ .
Phone books also contain this kind of information.

Post by Bill Penrose
where the membership wasn't outrageous or

That's nice. You snipped this, Bill, but what you really claimed was:

"in Tucson [...] there is only one pistol range accessible
to civilians."

Post by Bill Penrose
wasn't limited to peace officers.

The ranges that I listed are public ranges.

Post by Bill Penrose
Some have long waiting lists.

That's odd. that's something I might expect from a private range. Odd that
they'd keep advertising if they had people waiting to get in. And, BTW, you
snipped this, Bill, but what you really claimed was:

"in Tucson [...] there is only one pistol range accessible
to civilians."

Post by Bill Penrose
I'll give him this list. Maybe there's one he hasn't checked.

You claimed there was only *one*.

Post by Bill Penrose
My comment stands.

No, Bill, it doesn't. You snipped this, but what you really claimed was:

"in Tucson, where there are more guns per capita than most
places in the US, there is only one pistol range accessible
to civilians."

In a few seconds I found four.

<snip goal post shift>

--
Sylvia

Bill Penrose

2008-07-30 03:34:36 UTC

Post by Sylvia
In a few seconds I found four.

Guess you win again.

DB

Bill Penrose

2008-07-30 05:46:56 UTC

Post by Sylvia
In a few seconds I found four.

Guess you win again.

BTW, what did you win?

Alan Hope

2008-07-29 17:30:25 UTC

Post by Sylvia
What do you mean by "practiced"? That single episode when you squeezed the
trigger of a .45 mebbe seven times and missed the target?

It was occasions than that, but that's my point, isn't it? How many
people actually have the time, or the money, to go to the range once a
week or once a month, and pop off a box of ammunition, against the
extremely unlikely chance that a looney will walk into their church or
fast food joint with a shotgun?
How many of those people would really have the stones to aim, fire,
and kill someone, especially under that kind of duress? Especially if
they thought about the lawsuits, notoriety, and investigations they'd
be involved in after the fact.

The answer is simple. Since it's such an obviously good idea to let
people go around carrying concealed weapons in order to stop crazy
shooters, it must have happened dozens of times in real life. Let
those like Pies who think it's a good idea show us all those times
when a concerned and armed citizen was able to bring down a gunman,
thus saving lives while taking only one.

That's not a lot to ask, is it?

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Sylvia

2008-07-29 18:58:32 UTC

<...>

Post by Bill Penrose
It was occasions than that, but that's my point, isn't it? How many
people actually have the time, or the money, to go to the range once a
week or once a month, and pop off a box of ammunition, against the
extremely unlikely chance that a looney will walk into their church or
fast food joint with a shotgun?
How many of those people would really have the stones to aim, fire,
and kill someone, especially under that kind of duress? Especially if
they thought about the lawsuits, notoriety, and investigations they'd
be involved in after the fact.

I don't even personally know another shooter who carries (other than cops).
Carrying is a major PITA, you'd have to have a damned good reason. It would be
too easy to forget and stroll armed into a place where it's against the law to
do so--big time penalties there. Only idiots would do so "against the
extremely unlikely chance that a looney will walk into their church or fast
food joint with a shotgun".

Speaking of armed idiots, I do remember a time in Houston when one walked into
a good-sized gun store and attempted an armed hold-up. If I recall the news
report correctly, he didn't quite finish yellin' his demand when customers hit
the ground and he found himself staring at the barrels of the four or five
clerks' loaded weapons. He slowly put his weapon down on a counter and lay
down on the floor, arms spread (prolly hopin' the police would show up
quickly). thereby avoiding bein' nominated for a Darwin Award.

Peeps were shakin' their heads over that one for a couple of weeks.

--
Sylvia

Alan Hope

2008-07-29 20:49:23 UTC

Post by Sylvia
<...>

Yes but every time there's a mass killing, like this church, like
Virginia Tech, some nutjob goes, these were gun-free zones, too bad
that because it means nobody could bring the killer down.

The fact is, even where there are fewer or no gun restrictions, armed
citizens just don't bring down marauding killers. The libertarian
survivalist wing would love for us to believe that's a good argument
for everyone going armed, but the fact of the matter is it just
doesn't happen.

I suppose when the quarry is not a beer-can, or a small bird, and it's
shooting back, most gun-nuts' balls turn to green squirty shit as
thick as twine, and they do the same thing we all do: burrow into the
floor or run like fuck.

Post by Sylvia
Speaking of armed idiots, I do remember a time in Houston when one walked into
a good-sized gun store and attempted an armed hold-up. If I recall the news
report correctly, he didn't quite finish yellin' his demand when customers hit
the ground and he found himself staring at the barrels of the four or five
clerks' loaded weapons. He slowly put his weapon down on a counter and lay
down on the floor, arms spread (prolly hopin' the police would show up
quickly). thereby avoiding bein' nominated for a Darwin Award.
Peeps were shakin' their heads over that one for a couple of weeks.

Did an old stringy man in knee-shorts and a tank-top tell you that
story, dear? Did he ask you if you'd like to see some cats?

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Sylvia

2008-07-29 22:05:20 UTC

Post by Sylvia
<...>

Post by Bill Penrose
It was occasions than that, but that's my point, isn't it? How many
people actually have the time, or the money, to go to the range once a
week or once a month, and pop off a box of ammunition, against the
extremely unlikely chance that a looney will walk into their church or
fast food joint with a shotgun?
How many of those people would really have the stones to aim, fire, and
kill someone, especially under that kind of duress? Especially if they
thought about the lawsuits, notoriety, and investigations they'd be
involved in after the fact.

The answer is simple. Since it's such an obviously good idea to let
people go around carrying concealed weapons in order to stop crazy
shooters, it must have happened dozens of times in real life. Let those
like Pies who think it's a good idea show us all those times when a
concerned and armed citizen was able to bring down a gunman, thus saving
lives while taking only one.
That's not a lot to ask, is it?

Yes but every time there's a mass killing, like this church, like Virginia
Tech, some nutjob goes, these were gun-free zones, too bad that because it
means nobody could bring the killer down.

Yes, but, *I* wrote:

"Only idiots would..."

The fact is, even where there are fewer or no gun restrictions, armed
citizens just don't bring down marauding killers. The libertarian
survivalist wing would love for us to believe that's a good argument for
everyone going armed, but the fact of the matter is it just doesn't happen.

The fact is, I wrote:

"Only idiots would do so 'against the extremely unlikely
chance that a looney will walk into their church or fast
food joint with a shotgun'. "

I suppose when the quarry is not a beer-can, or a small bird, and it's
shooting back, most gun-nuts' balls turn to green squirty shit as thick as
twine,

I wouldn't know as I am not acquainted with any gun nuts. I have never assumed
that being able to hit a paper target with accuracy while in a regulation
range stance and taking all the time in the world translates to being able to
do well under fire. Some people, you know, have good hand/eye coordination
and they enjoy using their skill by target shooting on a range, *the best of
circumstances*, which is what I've been talking about.

and they do the same thing we all do: burrow into the floor or run
like fuck.

Miz UV: "Of course that's not right. There are a range of
possible responses. Some people dive for cover and
huddle there shaking."

Miz Sylvia: "Yah, most people would dive for cover, shaking or
otherwise, at least until they ascertained where the
bullets were flyin'.

Preaching. Choir.

BTW, I used to enjoy archery and might get back into it someday, but that does
not mean that I believe that peeps oughta run around carrying a bow and arrow
"against the extremely unlikely chance that a looney will walk into their
church or fast food joint with a" cross-bow.

I also like to throw darts. I don't carry them around on the off chance that
they can serve as a defensive weapon, either, nor do I think other peeps
should.

I do, however, carry around my quilting shears just in case I need to wield
them in defense of the Free World (I have a permit). I'm going for my
Spatchcock Carry Certification this autumn.

Post by Sylvia
Speaking of armed idiots, I do remember a time in Houston when one walked
into a good-sized gun store and attempted an armed hold-up. If I recall
the news report correctly, he didn't quite finish yellin' his demand when
customers hit the ground and he found himself staring at the barrels of
the four or five clerks' loaded weapons. He slowly put his weapon down on
a counter and lay down on the floor, arms spread (prolly hopin' the police
would show up quickly). thereby avoiding bein' nominated for a Darwin
Award.
Peeps were shakin' their heads over that one for a couple of weeks.

Did an old stringy man in knee-shorts and a tank-top tell you that story,
dear?

No, Honey, I wrote:

"If I recall the news report correctly [...]",

Did he ask you if you'd like to see some cats?

I believe the weather report was up next.

--
Sylvia

Alan Hope

2008-07-29 22:21:23 UTC

Post by Sylvia
Preaching. Choir.

Dur.

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Sylvia

2008-07-29 23:12:51 UTC

Post by Sylvia
Preaching. Choir.

Dur.

<hopping about and bristling>

Wot?

Post by Alan Hope
http://youtu.be/xiPkUaoYxzE

<suspicious>

<click!>

</hopping about and bristling>

Ooooh! Where are you, Mr. Hope? You shoulda <waved>! Why did they waste so
much footage on the lady with the flowers instead of on yer section?

<searching>

Oh, my! Haendel's Messiah! After all this time I finally got to hear ya sing
it!

<peering>

Ya didn't <wave> there, either. Still, it was lovely.

Even without moose-lets prancin' about.

--
Sylvia

gekko

2008-07-29 23:37:45 UTC

Post by Sylvia
Preaching. Choir.

Dur.
http://youtu.be/xiPkUaoYxzE

Cool! How come the announcer had so much trouble speaking? Shouldn't
they hire people who can actually speak to do the speaking?

And were you the red-haired one or the dark haired one?

--
gekko

Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying
himself a pleasure. --Ambrose Bierce

Sylvia

2008-07-29 17:34:07 UTC

Post by Sylvia
What do you mean by "practiced"? That single episode when you squeezed the
trigger of a .45 mebbe seven times and missed the target?

It was occasions than that, but that's my point, isn't it?

No. You claimed:

"It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions"

You are wrong. That is what I responded to. *Then* you replied:

"But I've practiced with a Browning .45 on a man target
at 25 feet. Firing slowly and aiming each shot (under an
instructor's eye), I emptied the magazine without landing
a single shot.

I pointed out why that has no bearing on why you were wrong when you wrote:

"It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions"

I also questioned your statement. Had you really "practiced" "under an
instructor's eye", considering that your rifle shooting shows that you are
obviously not gun shy, I find it hard to believe that you were unable to hit a
simple target even once unless you were talking about the first few rounds you
shot out of a weapon that was unfamiliar to you (even if your "instructor" was
not anywhere close to being qualified).

Post by Bill Penrose
How many people actually have the time, or the money, to go to the range
once a week or once a month, and pop off a box of ammunition, against the
extremely unlikely chance that a looney will walk into their church or fast
food joint with a shotgun?

Millions of people who own guns do *not* own them "against the extremely
unlikely chance that a looney will walk into their church or fast food joint
with a shotgun". They *enjoy* going to the range to practice 'cause that's the
only time they expect to ever use their weapon(s).

I'd bet that most non-criminal people who do buy a gun for "self-defense" but
don't have the sense to learn how to use it and stay in practice don't even
carry the damned thing, they keep it in their night table drawer, on the top
shelf of their closet, or in the back of the lower file cabinet drawer at
their office. Jove knows where they keep the bullets.

Besides, you claimed:

"It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions"

I replied:

"Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of
circumstances with ease.

"It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of
circumstances."

Then you attempted to contradict me by claiming that you were unable to even
once hit a target on the range. To paraphrase Mr. Hope, I caught the scent of
weasel in the air.

Post by Bill Penrose
How many of those people would really have the stones to aim, fire,
and kill someone, especially under that kind of duress? Especially if
they thought about the lawsuits, notoriety, and investigations they'd
be involved in after the fact.

There it is again.

--
Sylvia

gekko

2008-07-29 22:11:57 UTC

Post by Sylvia
.

Post by Sylvia
What do you mean by "practiced"? That single episode when you
squeezed the trigger of a .45 mebbe seven times and missed the
target?

It was occasions than that, but that's my point, isn't it?

"It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions"
"But I've practiced with a Browning .45 on a man target
at 25 feet. Firing slowly and aiming each shot (under an
instructor's eye), I emptied the magazine without landing
a single shot.
"It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions"
I also questioned your statement. Had you really "practiced"
"under an instructor's eye", considering that your rifle shooting
shows that you are obviously not gun shy, I find it hard to
believe that you were unable to hit a simple target even once
unless you were talking about the first few rounds you shot out of
a weapon that was unfamiliar to you (even if your "instructor" was
not anywhere close to being qualified).

Post by Bill Penrose
How many people actually have the time, or the money, to go to
the range once a week or once a month, and pop off a box of
ammunition, against the extremely unlikely chance that a looney
will walk into their church or fast food joint with a shotgun?

Millions of people who own guns do *not* own them "against the
extremely unlikely chance that a looney will walk into their
church or fast food joint with a shotgun". They *enjoy* going to
the range to practice 'cause that's the only time they expect to
ever use their weapon(s).
I'd bet that most non-criminal people who do buy a gun for
"self-defense" but don't have the sense to learn how to use it and
stay in practice don't even carry the damned thing, they keep it
in their night table drawer, on the top shelf of their closet, or
in the back of the lower file cabinet drawer at their office. Jove
knows where they keep the bullets.
"It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions"
"Millions of peeps can shoot straight under the best of
circumstances with ease.
"It is not hard for me to shoot straight under the best of
circumstances."
Then you attempted to contradict me by claiming that you were
unable to even once hit a target on the range. To paraphrase Mr.
Hope, I caught the scent of weasel in the air.

Post by Bill Penrose
How many of those people would really have the stones to aim,
fire, and kill someone, especially under that kind of duress?
Especially if they thought about the lawsuits, notoriety, and
investigations they'd be involved in after the fact.

There it is again.

Ooh, meltdown. DB wins!

--
gekko (good job, DB)

Abstainer: a weak person who yields to the temptation of denying
himself a pleasure. --Ambrose Bierce

boots

2008-07-29 07:59:46 UTC

...So why exactly should that
bother me or make me in favor of gun-free zones?

Because most people who own guns don't really understand how to use
them, and those that do can't be bothered to practice regularly.

Leaving only those who understand and practice, clearly nutjobs the
lot.

Post by Bill Penrose
Once someone lets loose a round in a public place, who knows where
it's going to end up?

Follow the sightline and it's a pretty good indication, though if the
sightline ends up on the side of a tent all bets are off.

Post by Bill Penrose
It's hard enough to shoot a pistol straight
under the best of conditions,

It's impossible to shoot one crooked.

But I know what you're talking about. Society has set the stage.
Well, the movies more than society. Badguys who can't be arsed to die
when shot with a normal gun cause goodguys to start carrying
megapistols, Joe Doofus thinks he needs a megapistol, and of course
megapistols are for shit because of the kick so hardly anybody knows
how to get a bullet to locate itself in the desired badguy organ.
Machine guns firing 6000 rounds a minute fucksake. If you ever run
into a real mechanic ask him what tools he favors, .22's used to be in
favor because they're easy to quiet, and icepicks are as far as I know
still an alltime fave.

Post by Bill Penrose
but when you're scared shitless and
crouched behind an overturned lunch table (or pew), you couldn't be
less effective.

Here's where I'm asking myself, does Bill geddit? How can he geddit?
A normal human being, if disturbed by gunfire, is going to be pissed
off at the shooter to the point of killing, not peeing his pants,
right?

Post by Bill Penrose
You might as well cover your eyes and shoot at
random. .

Concealment, cover, vengance saith Lord Colt.

--
Don't read this crap... oops, too late!

[superstitious heathen grade 8]

Alan Hope

2008-07-29 13:02:56 UTC

Post by boots
Here's where I'm asking myself, does Bill geddit? How can he geddit?
A normal human being, if disturbed by gunfire, is going to be pissed
off at the shooter to the point of killing, not peeing his pants,
right?

How many cases can you cite where a vigilant pistol-packin citizen
took out a loony-shooter? Ever?

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

serenebabe

2008-07-29 14:37:31 UTC

On 2008-07-29 03:59:46 -0400, boots <***@no.no> said:
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Post by boots
A normal human being, if disturbed by gunfire, is going to be pissed
off at the shooter to the point of killing, not peeing his pants,
right?

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Pretty good "30 Days" on the issue of gun "control," from the side of a
guy who thinks if everyone were armed we'd be safer and the side of a
woman whose therapist was killed by a drive-by shooter (I think) who
cries the first time she has to shoot a gun. There's a synopsis here
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1205015/ that gives a decent read on the
show.

I can't believe anyone would think that the natural reaction to gunfire
would be anger and revenge -- I can't tell from your post, are you
joking? Of course the natural reaction to gunfire whether you're
packing heat or not would be to get the fuck out of there, don't you
think?

--
It's All About We! (the column)
http://www.serenebabe.net/

Sylvia

2008-07-29 15:52:18 UTC

In article <g6n9va$1ca$***@aioe.org>, serenebabe <***@gmail.com> wrote:

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Post by serenebabe
packing heat

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oh, gawd...

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Sylvia

LNC

2008-07-29 18:31:39 UTC

Post by Sylvia
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Post by serenebabe
packing heat

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oh, gawd...

She's well acquainted with the touch of a velvet hand like a lizard on a
windowpane.

LNC

serenebabe

2008-07-29 17:28:56 UTC

Post by Sylvia
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Post by serenebabe
packing heat

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oh, gawd...

She's well acquainted with the touch of a velvet hand like a lizard on
a windowpane.

My writing failed if you thought I was being serious with that phrase. Sheesh.

--
It's All About We! (the column)
http://www.serenebabe.net/

Sylvia

2008-07-29 18:22:00 UTC

Post by Sylvia
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Post by serenebabe
packing heat

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Post by Sylvia
oh, gawd...

Post by LNC
She's well acquainted with the touch of a velvet hand like a lizard on
a windowpane.

Post by serenebabe
My writing failed if you thought I was being serious with that phrase. Sheesh.

You wrote:

"Of course the natural reaction to gunfire whether
you're packing heat or not would be to get the fuck
out of there, don't you think?"

Where's your joke, Heather? How weren't you being serious?

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Sylvia

Alan Hope

2008-07-29 18:29:49 UTC

Post by Sylvia
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Post by serenebabe
packing heat

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Post by Sylvia
oh, gawd...

Post by LNC
She's well acquainted with the touch of a velvet hand like a lizard on
a windowpane.

Post by serenebabe
My writing failed if you thought I was being serious with that phrase. Sheesh.

"Of course the natural reaction to gunfire whether
you're packing heat or not would be to get the fuck
out of there, don't you think?"
Where's your joke, Heather? How weren't you being serious?

Packing heat is a phrase that can only ever be used tongue in cheek.
Lighten up.

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Sylvia

2008-07-29 19:42:40 UTC

Post by Sylvia
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Post by serenebabe
packing heat

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Post by Sylvia
oh, gawd...

Post by LNC
She's well acquainted with the touch of a velvet hand like a lizard on
a windowpane.

Post by serenebabe
My writing failed if you thought I was being serious with that phrase. Sheesh.

"Of course the natural reaction to gunfire whether
you're packing heat or not would be to get the fuck
out of there, don't you think?"
Where's your joke, Heather? How weren't you being serious?

Packing heat is a phrase that can only ever be used tongue in cheek.

Proof. Pudding. innit.

Post by Alan Hope
Lighten up.

I'm <chortling>. Any lighter and I'm gonna be <waving> at on duty airplane
pilots.

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Sylvia

Ultraviolet

2008-07-29 19:44:34 UTC

Sylvia stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
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Post by Alan Hope
Lighten up.

I'm <chortling>. Any lighter and I'm gonna be <waving> at on duty
airplane pilots.

Quit bragging, beyotch.

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UV

Sylvia

2008-07-29 20:16:31 UTC

Post by Ultraviolet
Sylvia stole the cookies from the cookie jar...
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Post by Alan Hope
Lighten up.

I'm <chortling>. Any lighter and I'm gonna be <waving> at on duty
airplane pilots.

Quit bragging, beyotch.

<tiny tears>

<sinking>

owie.

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Sylvia

Bill Penrose

2008-07-29 16:25:53 UTC

Not right.

I don't think any one of us knows how we'd behave under those
conditions. I mean, we'd all like to think we'd be that 60-yr old guy
who stood in front of the kids and took the shotgun blast meant for
them, but what would we really do? I'll bet the guy himself didn't
know, either. One minute, he's singing a hymn or something, and a few
seconds later, he makes a split second decision, gets his guts blown
out, and becomes a hero.

DB

Ultraviolet

2008-07-29 16:58:45 UTC

Bill Penrose stole the cookies from the cookie jar...

Here's where I'm asking myself, does Bill geddit? How can he
geddit? A normal human being, if disturbed by gunfire, is going
to be pissed off at the shooter to the point of killing, not
peeing his pants, right?

Not right.

Of course that's not right. There are a range of possible responses.
Some people dive for cover and huddle there shaking.

Post by Bill Penrose
I don't think any one of us knows how we'd behave under those
conditions. I mean, we'd all like to think we'd be that 60-yr old
guy who stood in front of the kids and took the shotgun blast
meant for them, but what would we really do? I'll bet the guy
himself didn't know, either. One minute, he's singing a hymn or
something, and a few seconds later, he makes a split second
decision, gets his guts blown out, and becomes a hero.

I agree. You can't know what you'll do until you're faced with it.

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UV

Alan Hope

2008-07-29 17:36:40 UTC

Post by Ultraviolet
Bill Penrose stole the cookies from the cookie jar...

Here's where I'm asking myself, does Bill geddit? How can he
geddit? A normal human being, if disturbed by gunfire, is going
to be pissed off at the shooter to the point of killing, not
peeing his pants, right?

Not right.

Of course that's not right. There are a range of possible responses.
Some people dive for cover and huddle there shaking.

Shut up. I lost a lens.

Post by Ultraviolet

I agree. You can't know what you'll do until you're faced with it.

People who go on about what they would do have clearly never been in
the situation. I've been in a couple of hairy spots, and looking back,
my reaction each time was somewhat less than I'd have liked to imagine
it would be. Luckily, no harm was done. But that sort of experience
does tend to shut your fat flapping lip, as Jervis might say, if you
should ever be tempted to big yourself up.

I imagine I'm not a unique case. Most heroes, when they can be
convinced to talk about what they did, tend to concur. It weren't no
big thing. And I didn't do anything everyone else would've done.

That's the sort of thing they say. The ones who big themselves up, and
we all know who they are, succeed only in identifying themselves as
poseurs, as clearly as a German who can't pronounce Scheveningen.

--
AH
http://grapes2dot0.blogspot.com

Jackson Pillock

2008-07-29 17:52:32 UTC

Post by Ultraviolet
Bill Penrose stole the cookies from the cookie jar...

Here's where I'm asking myself, does Bill geddit? How can he
geddit? A normal human being, if disturbed by gunfire, is going
to be pissed off at the shooter to the point of killing, not
peeing his pants, right?

Not right.

Of course that's not right. There are a range of possible responses.
Some people dive for cover and huddle there shaking.

Shut up. I lost a lens.

Ha!

Sylvia

2008-07-29 18:16:18 UTC

Post by Ultraviolet
Bill Penrose stole the cookies from the cookie jar...

Here's where I'm asking myself, does Bill geddit? How can he
geddit? A normal human being, if disturbed by gunfire, is going
to be pissed off at the shooter to the point of killing, not
peeing his pants, right?

Not right.

Of course that's not right. There are a range of possible responses.
Some people dive for cover and huddle there shaking.

Shut up. I lost a lens.

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I was helping him look for it.

Besides, bein' two-foot-two, it just looks as if I'm huddlin', when I ain't.

Really.

And, I'm light sensitive, so I was usin' Blankie for shade.

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Sylvia

Sylvia

2008-07-29 17:44:24 UTC

Post by Ultraviolet
Bill Penrose stole the cookies from the cookie jar...